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During this episode of “Face the Nation,” moderated by Margaret Brennan:

• The current leader of Israel is Benjamin Netanyahu.

• Democratic Michigan Congresswoman, Debbie Dingell, from the United States

• U.S. Reps. Brian Fitzpatrick, Republican of Pennsylvania, and Jared Golden, Democrat of Maine
• The ambassador of Ukraine to the United States is Oksana Markarova.

• Fiona Hill, a previous expert on Russia at the White House

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I am Margaret Brennan reporting from Washington.

This week on Face the Nation: Donald Trump defeats Nikki Haley in South Carolina, and a conversation with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.

The former president played for the cameras and the conservatives at a Washington gathering before polls closed yesterday, sharpening his latest campaign line, in which he likened himself to the late Alexei Navalny.

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I am proud to be a political dissident, standing before you today as your former and potential future president, Donald Trump (R) and current U.S. presidential candidate.

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MARGARET BRENNAN: While the comparison may seem unlikely, let’s consider this: he suggested that black voters were supporting him because they could empathize with the criminal charges he was facing.

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Donald Trump, the previous president, famously had a mug shot that we have all seen. Surprisingly, the black community seemed to embrace it more than anyone else. This fact is astonishing.

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MARGARET BRENNAN: The Biden campaign called the remarks insulting, moronic and racist.

Nikki Haley, a former governor of South Carolina, referenced the remarks as an additional factor for her decision to remain in the competition.

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Nikki Haley, Republican Presidential Candidate, does not think Donald Trump can defeat Joe Biden. Trump’s actions are causing people to turn away from him on a daily basis.

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Margaret Brennan: Robert Costa will join us to provide political insights and updates on Nikki Haley’s future plans.

Next, let’s discuss the global issues causing political unrest within our own country. Could the criticism towards President Biden for backing Israel’s actions in Gaza impact him in the Michigan primary on Tuesday? We will speak with Congresswoman Debbie Dingell, a significant member of the Democratic party.

As the third year of Russia’s war in Ukraine commences, we will examine a fresh effort in the House to vote on crucial foreign aid in order to supply arms to Ukraine.

We will discuss everything in detail on Face the Nation.

Hello and welcome to Face the Nation.

The South Carolina Republican primary, which took place yesterday, went as predicted with Donald Trump claiming a significant victory. In Charleston last night, Nikki Haley, former Governor and U.N. Ambassador, gave her interpretation of the outcome.

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NIKKI HALEY: I will tally it. I am aware that 40 percent is not equal to 50 percent.

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NIKKI HALEY: However, I am aware that 40% is not a small percentage.

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MARGARET BRENNAN: As for the former president, his Friday night remarks at the Black Conservative Federation gala in Columbia, South Carolina, continued to overshadow his victory.

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Former President Donald Trump stated that black conservatives have a deeper understanding of the fact that many of the worst wrongdoings in our country’s past have originated from corrupt institutions that seek to oppress and control certain groups, depriving them of their liberties and denying them their rights.

I comprehend that. I believe this is why the African American community has shown me so much support, as they can relate to what I am experiencing. The intense lights are blinding me, making it difficult to see the crowd. However, I am able to make out the black individuals, but not the white ones.

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“I have come a long way,” said former President Donald Trump.

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MARGARET BRENNAN: We begin with CBS News chief election and campaign correspondent Robert Costa, who joins us from Charleston.

Bob, the primary in South Carolina was open, but only 3 percent of voters were African American. Does Donald Trump’s comments about black Americans cause any hesitation for the party?

ROBERT COSTA: Margaret, this is providing Nikki Haley with a potential path forward.

She and her team think that there are numerous conventional members of the Republican party throughout the nation who are frustrated, not just with ex-President Trump’s legal difficulties, but also his inflammatory statements regarding race. They also believe that this could alienate important voters nationwide by the time November arrives. This is why she is currently remaining in the race, heading to Michigan this week for its primary and continuing through Super Tuesday.

However, there is a genuine concern that with Trump assuming control of the party and the Republican National Committee, there is no acknowledgement of how he is addressing matters such as race and immigration.

Margaret Brennan: What is the duration of Nikki Haley’s candidacy?

As long as there is funding available, according to Robert Costa.

In the last 12 hours, I have been communicating with contributors who have pledged to continue funding her campaign and super PAC. However, they are aware that the early March Super Tuesday will be a critical moment for her.

Moving beyond Super Tuesday will present significant challenges in terms of coordination and obtaining funds. In recent days, she has informed journalists that she is not currently looking beyond this point.

Margaret Brennan: On a daily basis.

Okay, Robert Costa, thank you.

Next, we will discuss the current situation in the Middle East and the ongoing conflict between Israel and Hamas.

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is joining us from Tel Aviv.

Welcome back to “Face the Nation,” sir.

Prime Minister of Israel, BENJAMIN NETANYAHU: Thank you for having me. It is a pleasure to be here.

Margaret Brennan: Prime Minister, the United States is currently negotiating a hostage deal that President Biden believes will result in six weeks of peace.

Did the leaders of intelligence convene on Friday? Is a agreement imminent?

PRIME MINISTER BENJAMIN NETANYAHU: Well, I’m not sure the exact duration, but I can tell you that we’re all working on it. We want it. I want it, because we want to liberate the remaining hostages.

Half of the hostages have been successfully returned. I am grateful for the collaboration between Israel and the United States in this effort. I cannot guarantee the return of the remaining hostages, but if Hamas is willing to let go of their unrealistic demands and come back to reality, then we can make the progress that we desire.

Margaret Brennan asks, “What is currently causing the delay in finalizing the deal?”

Allegedly, a group of 30 to 40 hostages including women, elderly, and wounded individuals will be released in exchange for the release of several hundred Palestinian prisoners.

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu stated that Hamas initially had unreasonable demands.

MARGARET BRENNAN: Mm-hmm.

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu stated that it is currently too early to determine if they have completely given up on them.

If they choose to abandon them and enter what you refer to as the “ballpark,” they won’t even be in the same city. They’ll be on a completely different planet. However, if they agree to a more reasonable arrangement, then we may be able to reach a hostage deal. I am hopeful that this will be the case.

Can you declare victory in this war without the return of living hostages? At least six American citizens are currently being held by Hamas.

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has established three objectives for the war. The first is to secure the release of the hostages, the second is to eliminate Hamas, and the third is to guarantee that Gaza will not be a danger to Israel moving forward.

The three aspects are closely connected. They are accomplished through our highly successful and sometimes courageous military actions, as well as through difficult negotiations. We are merging the two approaches and I am optimistic that it will lead to a positive outcome.

We must recognize that without achieving complete victory, we cannot achieve true peace. It is not acceptable to allow Hamas to remain in power or to leave a portion of their battalions in Rafah and consider it a satisfactory solution.

Margaret Brennan: The situation with the hostages is urgent and time-sensitive.

If this agreement is reached and there is a period of six weeks without conflict, will it create an opportunity to bring an end to the war? Or will you still proceed with entering Southern Gaza, specifically Rafah?

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu stated that victory is achievable only after Hamas is eliminated.

How close is it?

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu stated that Hamas is a terrorist group.

After we initiate the Rafah mission, the intense stage of combat will be finished in a matter of weeks, not months. We have already eliminated 18 out of the 24 Hamas militant groups. Additionally, four of these groups are located in Rafah.

We cannot leave the final Hamas stronghold unattended. It is necessary for us to address the situation. However, I have also requested that the army present me with two plans – the first for evacuating Palestinian civilians in Gaza and the second for eliminating the remaining Hamas battalions.

This brings us significantly closer to achieving our victory. And we will not abandon it. If a deal is reached, there may be a delay, but it will still happen. If we do not reach a deal, we will still move forward. It must be done, as our ultimate goal is complete victory, which is attainable in the near future once we begin the operation.

Margaret Brennan: According to the White House, a viable and achievable strategy must be presented in order to ensure the safety of civilians and the 1.4 million individuals currently seeking refuge in Southern Gaza.

Earlier today, the White House stated that they have yet to receive a plan and emphasized that no significant military action should take place without it. Have you given approval for the plans that you previously requested?

I am Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. I will be leaving here to attend a meeting with the general staff, where they will present a dual plan to me.

MARGARET BRENNAN: OK.

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has proposed both an evacuation plan and a dismantling plan for the remaining battalions.

Indeed, we are in agreement on this matter. In other words, we do not require any prompting. Our stance aligns with that of the U.S. because that is our approach. The population in Rafah is a result of us relocating them from other combat zones. That explains their presence there.

Currently, there is space for them to travel north of Rafah to the locations where we have already completed battling.

MARGARET BRENNAN: That is your destination…

The plan is to follow through with that, according to Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.

Is that the plan?

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu: Affirmative.

Can you ensure that the IDF will not forcibly relocate 1.4 million people to Northern Gaza?

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu clarified that he did not mention Northern Gaza, but rather…

MARGARET BRENNAN: I apologize, please continue.

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu stated that he mentioned a location above Rafah.

MARGARET BRENNAN: OK.

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu stated that there is ongoing conflict in the northern region of the Gaza Strip, specifically north of the city of Rafah.

MARGARET BRENNAN: Right.

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu: It is crucial that we prioritize this matter.

It is crucial to comprehend that evacuating civilians from an impending combat zone is a positive action, not a negative one.

MARGARET BRENNAN: Sure.

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu stated that Israel plans to take action accordingly.

MARGARET BRENNAN: Un – understood.

Can you assure that the IDF will not force Palestinians to leave Gaza and enter Egypt? As you are aware, Egyptian authorities have warned that doing so will jeopardize 46 years of peace.

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu stated that the Egyptians are aware that our intentions do not align with their concerns and that our actions will not yield the desired outcome. We are working together in coordination.

We consistently communicate with the Egyptians, so I believe this is not a problem. The peace between Israel and Egypt has been beneficial for both nations and will continue to be so. I do not think it is at risk.

MARGARET BRENNAN: You mentioned that success is attainable.

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu responded in the affirmative.

According to U.S. intelligence, the Israeli Defense Forces have only eliminated 30% of Hamas leadership and the number of tunnels used by Hamas is relatively small compared to the amount destroyed by the IDF.

Suspicion is increasing…

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu stated that…

Margaret Brennan: Regarding you as an individual, sir – this is known – both in the U.S. Congress and in the Biden White House.

If your most trusted friend is suggesting that you rethink your strategy, isn’t it worth considering?

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu stated that the U.S. shares their objective of eliminating Hamas.

MARGARET BRENNAN: Yes.

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu discussed the objective of freeing the hostages.

We are responsible for making decisions about how to accomplish this, along with the elected Cabinet of Israel. We are actively working towards achieving our goals. Many things that were originally told to us by our closest allies have proven to be false.

According to them, it would be extremely difficult to participate in the ground battle. They also claimed that entering Gaza City and the tunnels would result in a horrific massacre. However, none of these predictions proved to be accurate.

Our troops are currently located in a network of tunnels. Fortunately, we do not have to dismantle hundreds of kilometers of these tunnels. Instead, our focus is on dismantling the underground missile production factories, command-and-control headquarters, computers, funds, weapons, and ammunition that are present in the tunnels.

We are proceeding with this process in a systematic manner. We are currently engaging in the conflict, and it is not possible to replace the Israeli military leadership. Our actions are being carried out with great care. John Spencer, the leader of urban warfare at West Point, is involved in this effort.

MARGARET BRENNAN: Yes.

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu states that Israel’s army has gone to great lengths to remove civilians from danger, which no other army has done, despite the actions of Hamas…

MARGARET BRENNAN: Sure…

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is making every effort to ensure that they remain in danger.

We hold our American friends in high regard.

MARGARET BRENNAN: Certainly, however the previous leader of Central Command appeared on this show only a few weeks ago and stated that you have not clearly explained any definitive plan.

However, setting that aside, I would like to revisit some of the points you mentioned.

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu: Wait a moment, Margaret. You continuously throw these attacks at me and quickly move on.

First of all, you mention that there is no trust in me. However, the Israeli public has trust in me. Last week, the Knesset voted with a strong majority…

Yesterday, there were extensive demonstrations taking place all over Israel.

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu states that there are ongoing protests in Israel, as it is a democracy and has had such demonstrations for three decades.

However, the citizens of Israel are more united than ever before. In the recent vote in the Knesset, my proposal received a 99-9 majority, which states that we must take two actions. Firstly, we must achieve victory in the war, and secondly, we must not allow an outside force to impose a Palestinian state upon us that would put Israel at risk.

The majority of individuals are in complete agreement on this matter. When was the last instance in which we received 99 votes in the Knesset?

MARGARET BRENNAN: Yes.

30 years ago, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu stated:

MARGARET BRENNAN: Yes.

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu states that the people are in agreement and the policies in place are correct. He has the support of the people and plans to see it through to the end. He believes that total victory is necessary and compromising is not an option, as winning the war is essential for achieving peace.

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Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu: Our victory in this war is certain.

Margaret Brennan: According to Yair Lapid, a former Israeli Prime Minister and current member of the Knesset, he asked American officials about your statement regarding the possibility of unilaterally recognizing a Palestinian state. Lapid stated that you have created a false threat, as no official in the world has suggested such recognition.

Leaving that aside, I desire to…

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu confirmed that the British Foreign Secretary has recently addressed the issue.

Numerous occurrences have taken place…

Margaret Brennan: This was the United States.

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu expressed his hope that the statement is accurate.

MARGARET BRENNAN: OK.

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu expressed his optimism about reports from the United States regarding briefings on a certain matter. He stated that he hopes the reports are accurate.

MARGARET BRENNAN: Yes.

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu stated that if the information is accurate, it will further support the government’s and the Israeli people’s decision made through their elected officials.

Furthermore, if individuals attempt to impose it upon us, it would be a grave error…

MARGARET BRENNAN: Yes.

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu stated that providing aid would be perceived as a form of compensation for terrorist acts, especially after such a heinous attack.

MARGARET BRENNAN: Yes.

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu stated that the actions taken against the Jewish population have been the most severe since the Holocaust.

MARGARET BRENNAN: So…

Israeli citizens will not be persuaded.

In order to achieve peace, it is not advisable to follow that path. Direct negotiations between the involved parties will ultimately lead to peace. It is unlikely that the Palestinians are currently prepared for such negotiations, but when they are, that will be the means of achieving peace, rather than through outside intervention.

MARGARET BRENNAN: Let’s revisit something you mentioned about your doubts concerning U.S. intelligence and guidance from the Biden administration, where you stated it was incorrect.

You also mentioned that there was no massacre.

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu stated that he did not claim it was incorrect. Rather, he acknowledged that some close acquaintances offered us guidance. As it turned out, we exceeded their expectations.

MARGARET BRENNAN: Mm-hmm.

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu stated that their performance exceeded their expectations.

Margaret Brennan: Doctors Without Borders spoke at the United Nations this week and reported that the number of civilian casualties in Gaza is extremely high. They have coined a new term for the tragic situation: a child who is wounded and has no surviving family.

According to Save the Children, more than 1,000 children have been injured and lost a limb during the October 7 war. While Hamas’ actions are horrifying, President Biden has criticized your actions as excessive.

Do you not worry that Israel is producing more terrorists than it eliminates?

I feel that any harm done to civilians is a terrible event. I say this with sincerity as I have personally experienced loss and injury in war.

I have experienced the loss of friends in combat. I understand the pain of losing both friends and family members. We can agree on that. However, this war was imposed on us by a heartless enemy that not only attacks innocent civilians, but also commits heinous acts such as rape, beheading, and burning infants alive. They have also killed children in front of their parents and parents in front of their children.

This foe not only focuses on harming innocent people, but also uses innocent Palestinians as shields.

MARGARET BRENNAN: Mm-hmm.

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has accused them of committing a double war crime.

I must return to state that there is no comparison to the challenge we face in this battle. According to John Spencer, the leader of urban warfare at West Point, no other military has encountered a similar task. He provides one example for comparison.

Margaret Brennan: That was not the question I inquired about.

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu cites Mosul as a point of comparison.

The solution may seem simple, but it is not. Granting immunity to terrorists who use civilians as shields is not a viable option. If we do so, Hamas will continue to exist and carry out further attacks and killings.

What actions would America take?

MARGARET BRENNAN: Yes.

PRIME MINISTER BENJAMIN NETANYAHU: What would America do, Margaret…

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According to Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, if you were to encounter the same level of threat as 20 occurrences of 9/11.

MARGARET BRENNAN: Yes.

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu posed the question, “If 50,000 Americans were killed in a single day and 10,000 Americans, including innocent mothers and children, were being held captive, would you not take the same actions as Israel?”

You’d be doing a hell of a lot more. And all Americans that I talk to, nearly all, say that. So Israel has gone to extraordinary lengths, calling up people…

MARGARET BRENNAN: Yes.

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu urged Gazan civilians to evacuate their homes.

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PRIME MINISTER BENJAMIN NETANYAHU: … sending pamphlets. We have done that effort. Hamas tries to keep them at gunpoint.

MARGARET BRENNAN: Yes.

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu stated that they will remove the individuals from danger, finish the task at hand, and attain complete triumph, which is crucial in providing…

MARGARET BRENNAN: Yes.

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu aims to establish a secure future for Israel, improve the state of Gaza, and create a more promising future for the Middle East. He also hopes to hinder the influence of the Iran terror axis.

It is beneficial for all of us, including America.

I have been informed that we have run out of time, Prime Minister.

We will return to Face the Nation in 60 seconds. We hope you will continue to watch with us.

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MARGARET BRENNAN: President Biden’s refusal to call for a cease-fire in Gaza has been a source of considerable controversy in Michigan, which holds its primary on Tuesday. The state has a significant Arab and Muslim population. A good number are Democrats.

Debbie Dingell, a Congresswoman representing the Democratic party, is joining us from Southfield, Michigan. It’s a pleasure to have you back on Face the Nation.

Debbie Dingell, a representative from Michigan, greets Margaret and expresses her pleasure to be joining her in the morning.

Can you rephrase this statement from Margaret Brennan? She is asking if the current movement to vote “uncommitted” among certain Democrats as a way to express dissatisfaction with the president will have a significant impact on him.

Debbie Dingell, a representative, would like to express to you that she is familiar with many members of this community. She has resided in Dearborn for a significant amount of time with her husband, and there are currently two campaigns.

One campaign has been abandoned by Biden, but the other, which has made over 100,000 calls, is focused on getting people to vote on Tuesday and making their voices heard by the president.

There are numerous families in Gaza that have been affected. It’s difficult to determine the exact number, but I personally know many people who have lost multiple family members, including grandparents, parents, aunts, uncles, and cousins. Some families have lost as many as 20 or 40 members. The work I do and the people I assist keep me up at night. When I hear their stories about lacking food and access to healthcare, it weighs heavily on my mind.

The people are consuming saltwater, but they are running low on supplies, which is not good for their health. The living conditions are unsanitary, with one woman going to the bathroom only once a day. A month ago, there was only one toilet for every 220 people and one shower for every 15,000 people.

The situation is terrifying. They fear for their loved ones and are anxious. But once a cease-fire is in place, we can sit down and have a conversation.

There have been many actions by Donald Trump that are quite shocking. Upon revisiting them, we will need to remind people of his words.

I comprehend the subtlety of your statement, that this is not a political matter but rather a personal one for many individuals.

At this moment, the Israeli prime minister has stated that he will enter Southern Gaza regardless of President Biden’s opinion. You mentioned that you are assisting your constituents who do not have family support. Do you believe the United States is taking sufficient action to evacuate American citizens and their families from danger?

Debbie Dingell, a representative, states that none of us are aware of the details of these negotiations.

We know that Bill Burns was over in – the director of the CIA was in Paris. I know members of the National Security Council have been there. And I know that the president has directly told the prime minister that he is very concerned and he needs to be very careful.

It is important for individuals to comprehend the current situation in Rafah. The population of Gaza is estimated to be 2.2 million, with 1.5 million being displaced to Rafah. While there may be disagreements about the exact figures, it is undeniable that 12,000 children have tragically lost their lives.

During the interview, Doctors Without Borders mentioned that 1,000 children have been left without limbs and without families. It is unacceptable for any more innocent civilians to suffer death. The White House is currently collaborating with other nations to send a strong message that this loss of life must stop.

Can Margaret Brennan ask if the…

Congresswoman Debbie Dingell has ongoing conversations with the White House, stressing the importance of the issue. She has been assured that the president is actively involved in conveying clear messages.

MARGARET BRENNAN: However, he has not verbally advocated for a ceasefire.

Debbie Dingell, a representative, stated that in private discussions, he has expressed his efforts towards a temporary cease-fire.

MARGARET BRENNAN: Yes.

Debbie Dingell, a representative, acknowledges the need for a cease-fire.

A temporary cease-fire…

MARGARET BRENNAN: Right.

Representative Debbie Dingell stated that if a six-week cease-fire is achieved, it could potentially lead to fulfilling the need for…

MARGARET BRENNAN: OK.

Representative Debbie Dingell stated that we must have the hostages returned.

MARGARET BRENNAN: Understood.

Debbie Dingell, a representative, acknowledges that there are individuals in distress on both sides of the situation.

I believe that is…

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MARGARET BRENNAN: Of course, I would like to continue our conversation. However, we must pause for a commercial break.

Let us continue, Congresswoman. We will return with further updates.

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MARGARET BRENNAN: We will return shortly with more from Face the Nation, discussing the current efforts for providing aid to Ukraine.

Stay with us.

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Welcome back to the show FACE THE NATION, I am your host Margaret Brennan.

We will now resume our discussion with Representative Debbie Dingell from Michigan.

Congresswoman, you have made it evident that the humanitarian aspect of this conflict is crucial. Regarding the political implications, do you believe that President Biden made a mistake by not meeting with any representatives from this specific community during his visit to Michigan?

Representative Debbie Dingell stated that she believes it will be necessary for him to address the issue at some point in the future. The community is currently feeling a strong sense of anger.

I was protested at my town hall meeting this week. Despite my efforts to be empathetic and work on this issue diligently, some individuals expressed their grievances. The person in question sent their team to engage with both sides and build relationships. I have heard that these conversations are ongoing and must continue.

I mean this is really – look, Michigan’s a purple state.

MARGARET BRENNAN: I am aware.

Debbie Dingell, a representative, emphasizes the importance of clarifying that this state has been a mix of both political parties for many presidential elections. While this issue is crucial, there will likely be other important matters as well. This state will continue to be a mix of political affiliations leading up to November.

Let me share something with you, as someone who has spent 30 years advocating for Michigan to be an early primary state. I believe it’s important to address this issue now, in February, because it will have an impact on the November elections. In past presidential elections, we have seen issues that are important in November being ignored until October 15th, and I want to avoid that happening again.

MARGARET BRENNAN: Yes.

Does the issue of access to reproductive health care outweigh these negative obstacles?

Debbie Dingell, a representative for Michigan, emphasized the importance of targeting young people and women and reaching out to union members in promoting the upcoming election. She acknowledges the significant turnout in Michigan two years ago and stresses the need to remind people of Trump’s lack of action and Biden’s accomplishments.

The participation of women will be extremely important. When they cast their vote on this matter on the ballot last year, they believed they were protected. However, recent developments in Alabama’s court regarding IVF have proven otherwise.

MARGARET BRENNAN: Yes.

Debbie Dingell, a representative, shares that Republicans are now expressing support for IVF, likely due to fear.

You know what, they’ve never been someone who’s tried to get pregnant. They’ve never had to live through all of this. And I think a lot of women are going to be very emotional about their women’s health decisions should be made between them, their doctor, their faith and their family, and the federal government’s got no business in it.

Thank you, Congresswoman Dingell, for your insights.

Representative Debbie Dingell also mentioned state government in the discussion.

MARGARET BRENNAN: I appreciate your directness.

We will conclude that discussion and turn our attention to a new one featuring Republican Brian Fitzpatrick and Democrat Jared Golden. These two congressmen have suggested an alternate solution to the foreign aid bill, which was approved by the Senate but deemed unsuccessful by the House Speaker.

Is there any possibility of getting the Republican leadership to take action on this?

Congressman Brian Fitzpatrick from Pennsylvania confirms that there is a bipartisan legislation in the House. They have also filed for expedited consideration with the clerk on Friday. Typically, this process would take 30 days, but they have found a way to speed it up to a seven-day period with the help of the parliamentarian.

Can you clarify if this is an attempt to bypass the House Speaker, who has declined to bring a bill to the floor, or if it is an effort to pressure them into considering it?

Representative Brian Fitzpatrick stated that it is a means to introduce a bill on the floor.

To clarify our goals, this is urgent and crucial. I recently returned from Ukraine where Avdiivka was lost in the last week. We also lost Laken Riley and 200 families had to bury their children due to fentanyl in the past week. Our proposed legislation combines border security with foreign aid, both of which are critical. We are pushing for this bill to be brought to a vote to ensure action is taken. As President Zelenskyy stated, reinforcements are needed on the front lines within weeks, not months.

MARGARET BRENNAN: Your proposed alternative bill is approximately $49 billion, as opposed to the existing bill’s cost of $60 billion.

Representative Golden notes that the bill does not include provisions for humanitarian aid to Israel and Ukraine, which is a major concern for many Democrats. Additionally, the bill includes a border security policy that requires migrants to wait outside the United States while their asylum claim is being reviewed.

How do you plan to gain the support of other Democrats for this?

Jared Golden, a representative from Maine, believes that it is crucial to remember that there is enough support for Ukraine, as well as other allies such as Israel and Taiwan. He also believes that there is sufficient support for border security measures.

The Senate began with a proposed legislation and had to simplify it in order to secure 60 votes. The House will also have to go through a similar process. Brian and I are discussing the possibility of having a more transparent discussion on the House floor. Amendments should be allowed. We must come up with a solution that can gain support from at least 218 members. I believe such a solution should be a compromise that considers the perspectives of both sides, rather than being proposed by just one party.

Can amendments, such as including humanitarian aid, be added to your bill if it is being considered?

Could be possible, affirmative.

MARGARET BRENNAN: OK.

I believe that we must establish priorities. Ultimately, what are the most pressing issues that we need to address in the present moment? For me, those would be securing our border and preventing potential disasters in Ukraine.

MARGARET BRENNAN: Congressman Fitzpatrick, by taking this approach, you are going against the wishes of the Speaker of the House, Mike Johnson, who previously stated that the Senate bill would not be accepted. However, it appears that you are also communicating with the Democratic leader in the House.

Do you worry that you are hindering the chance of passing the larger package in the end, or is it truly a lost cause and you require a contingency plan?

Representative Brian Fitzpatrick stated that he does not believe they are cutting corners. He explained that they are simply adding urgency to ensure that this task is completed because there is no time to waste. He also mentioned that if the Senate bill were to be brought to the floor, it would receive a significant amount of support from Republican members.

Would you be in favor of the vote?

I am willing to do so.

If our proposal is brought to a vote, it will likely receive a significant number of votes. While Jared may represent the views of the Democratic caucus, we believe that a supermajority, or two-thirds of the House, would support this. The proposal is open to revisions. Our initial language was simply a means to get it to a vote, but our goal is to avoid any further delays as Ukraine is currently facing dire circumstances. This action is meant to complement ongoing discussions and potential compromises.

Can you clarify if Democratic Leader Hakeem Jeffries is in support of your actions?

Representative Jared Golden stated that the current focus is on advancing the Senate bill and there is a discharge petition in place. However, it should be noted that the discharge petition does not have any support from Republicans. The current situation involves a Republican-led discharge petition for a bill.

MARGARET BRENNAN: Is this simply a method to circumvent leaders and secure a vote?

REPRESENTATIVE JARED GOLDEN: Correct. That’s right.

MARGARET BRENNAN: Are you not worried that, as you put it, you may be hindering the larger package?

Jared Golden, a representative, is worried about what needs to be done to pass a bill that will allow the House of Representatives to address two important issues: securing our own border and providing assistance to allies in Ukraine and Israel who are facing significant challenges.

Margaret Brennan: We have a deadline of March 1st for a potential partial government shutdown. What is your timeline for addressing this issue and isn’t the top priority keeping the government functioning?

Representative Brian Fitzpatrick stated that they could potentially take advantage of the CR to achieve their goal. They are hoping to do so.

Margaret Brennan: Do you believe something of this magnitude?

Representative Brian Fitzpatrick stated that the matter at hand was not significant. He emphasized that it was a small issue.

MARGARET BRENNAN: $50 billion.

Representative Brian Fitzpatrick stated that the military aid provided to Ukraine, Israel, and Taiwan is not only an act of charity, but also an act of global security. Contrary to popular belief, 80% of this aid is spent within the United States, resulting in a significant investment towards modernizing our own military. This allows us to better prepare for potential threats that we were previously unprepared for.

Margaret Brennan: Recently, my colleague on CBS had a conversation with Congressman Patrick McHenry who stated, “You can choose to stay as speaker and constantly worry about being removed, or live each day as if it were your last.” He is urging the House speaker to be more resolute. Does your recent action indicate that you also believe Speaker Johnson should be more decisive?

Representative Brian Fitzpatrick believes that Mike is currently facing a difficult political situation and could benefit from support from his allies in the House. Therefore, this is a method for providing such assistance.

MARGARET BRENNAN: Is it possible that he could be removed from his position?

Representative Brian Fitzpatrick expressed concern about the potential risks involved in a single person motion to vacate, which he believes will not occur in the future. He stated that this type of action has caused gridlock and that he and his colleagues will not agree to it again. However, he emphasized the urgency of addressing current challenges, such as the situation in Ukraine where time is of the essence in preventing Russia from gaining significant ground.

Our current strategy involves adding another pressure point in order to bring a bill to the House floor that has support from both parties. Based on my discussions with my fellow Senators, it is highly likely that any bill backed by both parties in the House will also gain support in the Senate.

Can this be considered different from what the Senate has already passed?

“Representative Brian Fitzpatrick announced that we will now be accepting amendments.”

MARGARET BRENNAN: OK.

Representative Brian Fitzpatrick states that their vehicle is very basic and will be open for amendments, allowing the House to make their own decisions.

Representative Jared Golden believes it is crucial to note that the Senate would probably consider a bill that is approved by the House with support from both parties.

MARGARET BRENNAN: Certainly. We will keep an eye on this significant development and further discuss Ukraine later in the show.

We will return shortly.

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On Saturday, it was the second anniversary of Russia’s complete invasion of Ukraine. We are currently speaking with Oksana Markarova, the Ukrainian ambassador to the United States.

Welcome back, it’s great to have you here again.

Good morning, Margaret. This is Oksana Markarova, the Ambassador of Ukraine to the United States.

MARGARET BRENNAN: I understand this is a solemn weekend. Your president has acknowledged that 31,000 Ukrainians have lost their lives in this conflict. He also stated that Congress is aware of the financial and military resources your country needs.

Where are we currently located? How close are we to experiencing significant battlefield setbacks?

OKSANA MARKAROVA: Thank you for your response. The war has been going on for two years and there have been 31,000 defenders involved. Unfortunately, we are not sure of the total number of civilian casualties until we have liberated all areas.

The current state of the war is still favorable for victory if we have access to weapons and support. However, if we lack support and resources, there is a risk of losing the war. It is crucial that we acquire these necessities as soon as possible. I am pleased to see that there have been extensive discussions, and I hope that the House will reconvene this week to find effective solutions and make important decisions.

MARGARET BRENNAN: Yes.

The two congressmen have announced that they will be pushing for the aid to Ukraine to be considered as early as March 7th. The president has stated that we require assistance within a month.

Oksana Markarova stated that the support could potentially be provided within a month. It has been brought to our attention that this is a possibility.

Can military assistance be sufficient?

Oksana Markarova expressed the need for comprehensive support, including military, budgetary, and humanitarian aid, to sustain efforts both on and off the battlefield. This includes caring for people, educating them, and creating bomb shelters for protection. All of these aspects are closely connected.

However, we have also been informed that there is strong support from both parties. Our colleagues have confirmed that we have enough votes. Speaker Johnson has publicly acknowledged the importance of winning for all of us. This is a matter of global security. We have taken note of the concerns raised, some of which are not directed towards us, and we have addressed issues of transparency and accountability by providing ample information. It is our hope that through ongoing communication between the two parties, as well as between the White House and Congress, decisions will be made soon because, as we have stressed repeatedly, time is of the essence.

Margaret Brennan reports that the White House claims Russia achieved its first win on the battlefield in a year in a town in eastern Ukraine due to a lack of weapons and ammunition being supplied. Jake Sullivan pointed to Congress as the cause of this issue. Is it really that straightforward?

Oksana Markarova stated that war has always revolved around weaponry. She mentioned that there has never been a shortage of determined Ukrainians willing to protect their homes, but there has always been a constant need for more weapons. However, the current situation is dire.

It cannot be reworded.

In summary, we have been involved in a war and have managed to free 50% of the territory and clear the Black Sea. This is a crucial moment and with support and weapons, we can continue to free more areas. It’s not just about Ukraine, but also about Russia, Iran, and North Korea who are providing missiles. It is important for all democracies to come together and defend ourselves. Ultimately, my answer is yes.

Margaret Brennan: The issue of NATO support is becoming a topic in the upcoming election, with former President Donald Trump arguing against it. He has a history with your president and was involved in the first impeachment hearing due to his infamous phone call with President Zelenskyy.

Is your focus on whether that is currently determining what is attainable? The actions of a presidential campaign are influencing what you believe is the fate of democracy in Europe.

Oksana Markarova stated that the president of the United States, or any presidential candidate, is the leader of this nation that is built on the principles for which we are currently fighting. She reiterated that the matter of supporting Ukraine, upholding freedom and democracy, and standing by a democratic ally is not a matter of political party but rather a bipartisan one. She expressed confidence that it will continue to be a bipartisan issue.

MARGARET BRENNAN: Yes.

Oksana Markarova believes that the only competition in this situation is finding ways to accomplish tasks more quickly and efficiently, as well as demonstrating that democracies are capable of holding their own.

I spoke with three Ukrainian children this week who were abducted by Russia through a government-sponsored program. It was difficult to hear about their experiences. Your government reports that there are potentially 30,000 other children who have also been taken.

Why isn’t there currently a united global initiative to repatriate these children?

Oksana Markarova stated that the situation is not just a war crime and a tragedy, but also a violation of international law. The Russian government has reportedly taken custody of many Ukrainian children.

According to Margaret Brennan, the number mentioned was 700,000.

Oksana Markarova expressed that the situation is dire, with reports of approximately 700,000 children being abducted and subjected to torture and indoctrination. This is reminiscent of the atrocities committed by Nazis during World War II. To address this issue, the Bring Kids Back UA initiative was formed, with the support of numerous countries including the United States. Together, they are working towards creating a strategy to effectively combat this problem.

MARGARET BRENNAN: Yes.

OKSANA MARKAROVA: And this is horrible. You know, Putin should be in prison until the rest of his life, at least for this crime.

MARGARET BRENNAN: U.S. funding is also allocated towards this purpose.

Ambassador, thank you.

Oksana Markarova expresses her gratitude.

MARGARET BRENNAN: We will return shortly.

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MARGARET BRENNAN: Let’s welcome back Fiona Hill, a former White House expert on Russia.

Welcome back.

Fiona Hill, the former Senior Director for European and Russian Affairs on the National Security Council, expresses gratitude to Margaret.

MARGARET BRENNAN: Yesterday the body of opposition leader Alexei Navalny was handed over to his mother after she had asked for more than a week to have him released, his corps released. Why do you think Vladimir Putin changed his mind and let it happen?

Fiona Hill stated that she believes the individual in question recognized that they had crossed a line. They were facing backlash, even from Russian orthodox priests. Putin portrays himself as a strong religious figure, promoting Christian beliefs. However, some Russian orthodox priests went as far as to compare Putin to Pontius Pilate from the Bible for refusing to return a mother’s body to her family. Many well-known figures also expressed their discontent.

There were widespread protests regarding Navalny’s case, as his mother, a courageous woman, went on YouTube to expose the illegal actions of Putin, the Kremlin, and the prison authorities. Despite being accessible in Russia, her video sparked a reaction due to her status as a grieving mother rather than a political figure. This further escalated the situation and brought attention to the Kremlin’s efforts to suppress the issue.

The topic of discussion is now focused on the funeral arrangements. It was revealed that she was being coerced into having a private funeral, without the traditional Russian custom of a public viewing and graveside service. The question now is what will be permitted for the next steps.

MARGARET BRENNAN: And whether he created a martyr, (INAUDIBLE).

Fiona Hill stated that he has indeed created a martyr, which is absolutely correct.

During the previous week, there were significant events, including the success in eastern Ukraine and the passing of Alexei Navalny. Additionally, Russia detained another American for donating $50 to a charity in Ukraine.

Fiona Hill confirmed this statement.

Margaret Brennan: He appears to be feeling more confident at the moment.

Fiona Hill stated that Putin believes he is winning due to our lack of action and support for Ukraine against Russia. This aligns with the overall theme of the morning’s discussions. Our hesitation to stand up for Ukraine, both politically and morally, is seen as a sign of weakness by Putin.

In about a month, he will be reappointed as the president of Russia. It’s not really an election, it’s more of a formality. Putin is claiming that he will continue to be in power until 2036, as he is allowed two additional six-year terms. He is asserting his complete control over the situation and making it clear that he can do whatever he wants. This is meant to intimidate others and eliminate any hope for change.

And, you know, these targeting of, you know, young woman who has given $50. I mean that’s actually fairly ridiculous. But the whole message of it is to say, I mean business. Any kind of dissent, no matter how minor, will be punished with the full weight of the state behind it.

MARGARET BRENNAN: Well, we’re in the middle of an election in this country. You worked for Donald Trump when he was in office. He has continued to call himself a political dissident. He actually compared himself to Alexei Navalny.

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Laura Ingraham of Fox News mentioned that there was a significant amount of discussion or activity happening.

The person mentioned is Donald Trump, a previous U.S. President and potential candidate for the 2024 presidential election. He likened something to Navalny, communism, or fascism.

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Margaret Brennan: He is discussing the legal cases being brought against him and frequently mentioning Russia during his campaign. What is the reason for this?

According to Fiona Hill, there are a few things to consider. Firstly, former President Trump has consistently expressed admiration for Vladimir Putin, despite all the evidence that suggests otherwise. This goes against what his views as a leader of the United States should be, especially since Putin is an enemy of the US. Putin has openly declared war on the US and has even taken American citizens hostage, including a young woman who holds dual citizenship, Evan Gershkovich from “The Wall Street Journal,” and Paul Whelan, a former Marine who was taken years ago. President Trump should feel a sense of responsibility towards these American citizens, but instead, he is shamefully trying to suggest that the US is similar to Putin’s Russia.

When did we start killing our rival candidates in this nation? When did US presidents begin trying to eliminate their political adversaries by poisoning them or sending them to remote, freezing prisons?

So, what President Trump is doing is degrading the United States. I just don’t understand how people don’t call him out for this.

Can the statements made by Trump and his supporters at rallies about aid to Ukraine have a lasting impact, even if Joe Biden wins the election?

FIONA HILL: He definitely is. Additionally, he is repeating the same misinformation that has been spread by Russia for over ten years.

MARGARET BRENNAN: Uh-huh.

Fiona Hill stated that Russia has been taking action against Ukraine for a significant amount of time, starting with cutting off their gas supply in 2006 and then annexing Crimea in 2014. She also noted that President Putin and the Kremlin have been actively propagating anti-Ukraine sentiments.

MARGARET BRENNAN: Yes.

Fiona Hill stated that President Trump is beginning to echo the rhetoric of the Russians.

Margaret Brennan interviewed Fiona Hill and expressed her appreciation for speaking with her. She also mentioned the desire to have her return as a guest in the near future.

We will return shortly.

FIONA HILL: Thanks.

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Margaret Brennan: As we wrap up today, we’d like to extend our warmest wishes to our friend and colleague, Bob Schieffer, on his 87th birthday.

I am grateful to everyone who tuned in. Thank you, Bob. Let’s meet again next week for FACE THE NATION, I am Margaret Brennan.

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